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john boehner is flipping his lid over obama care again. he has no leverage, but now he wants the affordable care act on the table in fiscal cliff negotiations. congressman elijah cummings will respond. papa john's plays politics with pizza and the people fight back. >> no, no, no, no. >> we'll tell you about the pizza maker's face-saving move. and republicans never rest. ohio senator turner on the effort to block the vote in 2016. >>> and political comedian, baratunde thurston on how to talk to this guy at thanksgiving. ♪ i want my country back, country back, country back ♪ >>> good evening, folks. thanks for watching. someone needs to sit down with the republicans and explain to them how negotiations work. when you have no leverage, you don't get to make outlandish statements and demands. house speaker john boehner recently called himself the most reasonable man in washington, but in an editorial for the cincinnati enquirer today, boehner took the very unreasonable position of including obama care in debt negotiations. "the president's health care law adds a massive, exp
analysts in the back half of the program. >> also, do house speaker john boehner's constituents think he's doing enough to avert the looming crisis? we're going to hear from chief washington correspondent john harwood who is just back from a trip from his home state of ohio. >>> up next, though, fallout from last week's autonomy mess mounteding. hewlett-packard's ceo and former hp head all sued by a shareholder for alleged fraud. it's getting ugly out there. we're going to speak with a lawyer gearing up to represent other hp plaintiffs when we come back. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from heartburn 2 or more days a week, why use temporary treatments when you can prevent the acid that's causing it with prevacid24hr. with one pill prevacid24hr works at the source to prevent the acid that causes frequent heartburn all day and all night. and with new prevacid24hr perks, you can earn rewards from dinner deals to music downloads for purchasing prevacid24hr. prevent acid all day and all night for 24 hours with prevacid24hr. prevent acid all day and all night for 24 hours if we want to improv
piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i think it will be a democratic buildup than a republican buildup. but there's no doubt that if eric cantor is willing to at least vote on a deal that has new revenue, that that is a huge paradigm shift. and i think that gives us all hope, although there's still a long way to go, that there can be a deal that has the president has said for a long time, a balanced approach. >> but ruth, what are the democrats willing to give, because there are some democrats, some of the more liberal democrats who are saying let's go over the cliff. that gives us more leverage. >> there's extremes in both parties that say let's go over the cliff. grover norquist was saying it the other day. i just want to -- before we get to the democrats, i want to be debbie downer for a minute on the republican side. i totally agree with mark. we're hearing
money expers will help put pressure on both sides to sko compromise. here was speaker john boehner just moments ago. >> it's time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem that our country has. but i'm optimistic. >> let's bring in democratic strategist and former kerry deputy campaign manager steve elmendorf and former gingrich senior adviser david winston. good to see you both. >> good to be here. >> david, something else speaker boehner said moments ago, as you know, congressman tom cole broke with most of the rest of republicans saying, look, we should just take the tax breaks for people making under $250,000 a year and worry about the upper-income folks later. john boehner just said no, he doesn't agree with that. what do you think's going to happen here? >> well, the next couple weeks as we begin to sort of lay out these sort of contrasting positions that the president and the speaker have, look, what the spoker's focused on here is, yes, we obviously need to raise more revenue. there's a disagreement in terms between the president and the speaker i
. >> i didn't think this was a mandate. i agree your man won. but jim, the basic deal was, okay, john boehner acknowledging what this was. putting this on the table and he said this a million times in return for some. modest reform. while the biggest stuff waits for next year. if the democrats say it is off the table and if harry reid is trading bars with mitch mcconnel, what is up here. senator durban said, it shouldn't be ps deal. i don't think there is a bar gain to be had. it is a win win for alabama. he is going to get the tax hikes or the rb ares will say no deal and he gets the tax hikes which is what he will prefer anyway. that is a big pot of money he can use for whatever he wants. they are still not going to be a deal. baker, democrats saying there is no problem with social security, even though the piece in the "wall street journal" today said they are $20 trillion in the hole. they said they are $40 trillion in the hole. how can democrats argue that with a straight face. i know that stuff inside and out. most of those shortfalls are in the 22nd century. we don't have a big
obama was re-elected as president, i have to say, you are probably not thankful that john boehner was re-elected as speaker of the house. and vice versa, if you're psyched about john boehner, you're probably not psyched about president obama. but there is one thing about the re-election of both of these men that i think is maybe worth being thankful for. i am thankful that john boehner forever and president obama may be only recently, these two men have been willing to show emotion in public. to be big, tough, american leaders of the highest order, right? both of them in positions where they really answer to no one but the voters. and they are willing to be seen shedding a tear, without shame. i am thankful for that in our national american leadership. i am thankful that the brilliant bbc series, "house of cards," about the most evil politician ever, a mini series that i've watched a million times and i've been addicted to for years, i am happy, i am thankful, i am thankful that "house of cards" is being remade by kevin spacey and it comes out in february. i'm thankful for nbc white hous
tweet me @wolfblitzer. >>> out front next today, president obama and speaker of the house john boehner both hint that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff is on the way. possibly in time for santa. i asked republican john cornyn whether he thinks that is a reality. >>> and governor romney sits down with the president since the election, actually since the debates. does this do either of them any good? rick santorum is out front. and julian assange is out front to answer critics and our questions tonight. let's go "out front." >>> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett, outfront tonight, an early christmas miracle. or at least the glimmer of one today. barack obama bringing glad ti tidings of great joy to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> i will go anywhere and do anything it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. >> and john boehner, not to be outdone, put a little early present under the tree too. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> these are pretty glum faces to deliver those present
by christmas. >> hoping to get some positive comments from john boehner. he is optimistic. a nice little boost. from negative to positive to the session highs, no 50 points away from dow 13,000 once again. the dow once again up 73 points. you have a lot of winners. the banking index is still under some pressure, but retailers are really stealing the show. many are doing well for a variety of reasons. take a look at costco. the money they're paying out to shareholders ahead of the fiscal cliff wall to get the dividend ahead of the higher tax rate, so costco joins many come over 100 companies that have done much of the same. paying out dividends so you can pay less taxes. melissa: thank you so much. lori: so thoughtful of the company. president obama invited middle-class americans to the white house to showcase those would be most affected a certain tax cuts are not extended. peter barnes live at the white house. >> 85 middle-class taxpayers joining the president at this event part of a pr push to drive them to extend tax cuts for middle-class taxpayers let them expire for wealthier taxpayers. t
relief with just two pills. >>> 12 minutes past the hour. house speaker john boehner says nothing is off the table to avoid that fiscal cliff, including obamacare. automatic cuts will start january 2nd if an agreement isn't reached. he said in an op-ed, we can't afford it. and we can't afford it to leave it intact. that's why i've been clear that the law has to stay on the table as both parties discuss ways to solve our nation's massive debt challenge. >>> a special election following jesse jackson jr.'s resignation from congress. jackson says he needs to spend time, quote, restoring my health. jackson mysteriously disappeared from capitol hill in may and his office later revealed he was dealing with depression and had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. health concerns aren't the only thing jackson is facing, though. ted rowlands is in chicago. good morning, ted. >> reporter: good morning, carol. yeah. well, the health concerns are significant. he had two stints at the mayo clinic. talking to family members, that was the main reason why he just couldn't move forward. and he gave his l
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reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner, nancy pelosi will be serious. going over the cliff doesn't make any sense. >> we all remember the t.a.r.p. vote that you reference. that really didn't come to a resolution until the markets -- i would argue -- scared washington. i wonder how important you think that is this time? do stocks need to fall before the two sides really get committed at the table? >> that is a terrific question. that's the main question. in two days we lost 1,600 points in the markets. it took us a lot longer time to come back and recover. i sat there and stared defeat in the face. we can't do it now. the markets will respond to certainty. that's what congress needs to give american business and american people. certainty about taxes. certainty about spending in congress and certainty about our commitment to lower the debt. >> how do you argue that you are considering all elements of reform if in fact you're going to stick by the norquist pledge. is there anything wrong with as senator graham has said with saying i made that pledge back then but my job is to be a senator
bring some hope to john boehner, the man in charge of actually negotiating this deal with the president. after the election, the speaker did say increased revenues were acceptable if coupled with entitlement reform. but will it be supported in the house? that's where grover is seen as more of a legend than a lobbyist. some are signaling the tax debate does not start and end with this old pledge. eric cantor, who was adamant last time about opposing any revenue increase hit that note on msnbc just this morning. >> there's a lot that has been said about this pledge, and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have re-elected me, it is not about that pledge, it really is about trying to solve problems. john boehner went to the white house ten days ago and said republicans in the house were willing to put revenues on the table. that was a big move. >> by the standards of republican politics, ben, that was a big move. and eric cantor is doing something pretty important there. i just want to say before we go into all of the nitty-gritty details, tell us about what it means for eric
and house speaker john boehner. it's a lot different animal than the senate gop conference. so that's the sort of bad news. while we hear a lot of this going forward and it seems to be pos tish, when you get down to the nitty-gritty and aides and those chose to president obama, there's not been a lot of movement on the taxive of what to do. republicans don't want to touch that. democrats want that. they feel they have a mandate from the election. that is the issue we said is going to be the linchpin for the last three months. it continues to be there. there is no movement on that. and until there's movement on how to come up with that type of revenue, 250 and above, we're going to keep having the same conversation about ongoing negotiations, talking points from both sides. >> luke russert getting down to the nitty-gritty. stephanie, let's get down to the markets. they put our chances of going over the cliff at about 5%. so why is the market freaking out? >> you know the market always wants to be a bull but it doesn't matter what side of the aisle to sit on you. have to agree we're n
obama and john boehner. here's how we finished the day on wall street, near the highs. up 105 points. 12,983. we'll have technicians looking at this day, seeing if it's a key reversal. the s&p also in positive territory. market driven by headlines and bluster out of washington. yep, that's what investors should expect short term. maybe until january 1st. should they also expect a rally any time soon? according to ryan dieterich, rally could most definitely be headed our way. >> he joins us now to explain along with peter anderson from congress asset management company. bill mcvail from turner investment partners and our very own rick santelli. peter, i have to begin with you. with a name like congress asset management, is congress going to come through for your assets? >> well, i wish i had an inside scoop on that, but unfortunately, we're also left to speculate at this point. but i will say this. what's incredible about this market is the way the market moved up today, it's an instant polling network that the government can use, actually, to kind of float trial balloons to us and get a
tell you from having visited john boehner's district north of cincinnati last week the fis cliff maybe an abstract discussion here in washington but out there in southwestern ohio, if we tip back into recession, the economic pain would be very real. middle town and the rest of southwestern ohio has been working its way back economically from the long-term loss of manufacturing jobs and troubles in the auto industry. the last thing this area needs now another economic setback from the fiscal cliff. house speaker boehner and his colleagues in the congressional leadership have founded conciliatory notes about their prospects that sounds like good news here at the local chamber of commerce here in middle town but only up to a point. >> i want to be confident. i want to be optimistic but no i think i would rather be veered at this point. >> reporter: one of the speakers constituents, steve hightower, has a petroleum distribution business, like the economy is doing well. he has known boehner for years and believes the speaker wants to make a deal with president obama to avoid the fiscal clif
out between president obama and john boehner. >> i guess so. because dick durbin himself has been confusing in what he's been saying publicly. on sunday he said sure medicare and medicaid can be part of the discussion. today he's giving a speech where it should not be part of the conversation. there this morning he's saying once we get into a room, we can start talking about it. and there are ways that i think liberals would agree to do medicare and medicaid. you know, if you're tinkering on the supplier side like, you know, say medical device companies or something, or reimporting drugs from canada, or allowing medicare to negotiate, or reduce price, or add a public option to health care reform. you know, that would save money. so there are things that democrats would do when it comes to entitlements that would save money. and maybe that's what dick durbin is talking about, but those are the exact opposite of the things that republicans would want to do when it comes to entitlements. so harry reid's strategy might be the easiest one. just say, look, this is not part of the conver
and top republicans including house speaker john boehner are accelerating. but the white house must contend with members of his own party who are pushing back against proposals that significantly reshape entitlement programs like medicare and social security. white house press secretary jay carney said yesterday the president is open to compromise and should republicans make a realistic proposal on taxes, they will meet them halfway. >> math tells us that you can't get the kind of balanced approach that you need without having rates be part of the equation. we haven't seen a proposal that achieves that, a realistic proposal, that achieves that. the reality is, closing loopholes and ending deductions as an alternative to raising rates on the top earners, top 2%, those making over $250,000, sounds good, but you have to look at the actual contents of those proposals. >>> and a new poll shows the majority of americans do want compromise in order to avoid the fiscal cliff. 67% say a deal should be a combination of spending cuts and tax increases. and if no deal is reached by the end of t
for boost®. >>> house speaker john boehner says the country can't afford obama care. joining me for today's strategy session our cnn contributor and democratic strategist donna brazile and senior kriblt tor and editor and chief of redstate.com, erick erickson. thanks for coming in especially on the day after thanksgiving. erick, i want to begin with you. house speaker john boehner wrote this "we can't afford to leave the president's health care law in tact. that's why i've been clear the law has to stay on the table as both parties discuss ways to solve our nation's massive debt challenge." where after this election does the house speaker if you will get the political capital to take this tact? >> well, at first, i have to point out, it's not just the day after thanksgiving, this is during the lsu game that donna and i are here. >> go tigers. >> arkansas. yes, the big game. now as to john boehner, the issue here is many of the states are opting out of state exchanges. there was a quirk when they passed the law nancy pelosi said you have to pass the law to find out what was in it, what was
jackson jr. has resigned. in a letter to house speaker john boehner, jackson cited his ongoing treatment for bipolar disorder, and admitted to, quote, my share of mistakes. there's a house committee investigation into his dealings with rod blagojevich and a probe into possible misuse of campaign money. >>> the violence in syria continues today. at least 40 people were killed in the town of aleppo. this is not the first time this hospital has been shut. earlier this year an artillery shell hit a maternity ward. >>> secretary clinton and president obama and mahmoud morsi brokeringed a cease-fire. no sirens, have you heard any? >> reporter: no, that's right, alex, all quiet, no sirens here. there were a couple earlier in the day in the south. they turned out to be false alarms. the cease-fire went into effect 9:00 last night local time, which is about 18 hours ago. so it's a hopeful sign. of course, it's early days yet. when the cease-fire was announced yesterday, the palestinians in gaza were ecstatic. there was celebration, thousands of people in the streets firing guns into the air for c
obama spoke with john boehner this weekend and expressed confidence the deal can't be reached before the deadline. that's what most americans want. in the the latest poll. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should make to each other is to avoid. >> you signed it 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. the world has changed. >> joining me now is the man in the middle of this storm, grover norquist. grover, welcome to you. >> good to be with you. >> you can't comply on the bounty the mutiny has begun: >> it's funny to watch a senator or congressman who got himself elected by promising the citizen of his state that he would go to washington to reform government and not to pay taxes. when the going gets rough he wanted to debt ceiling increase. the same cast of chakts are turns in the homework for the second tyne two years later and there's not a snowball rolling. the good news is the people that gave a commitment to the american voters. for four years president obama has not reined in spending. all he did is demand $1.6 trillion of tax increase so he can sp
are yearning for cooperation and bipartisanship. but most republicans, they don't get the message. speaker john boehner is threatening to take us to the brink again by refusing to raise the debt ceiling unless he gets what he wants in the tax fight. he told the president, quote, it's my leverage. he said, quote, there's a price for everything. over in the senate, gop leader mitch mcconnell is striking the same tone. >> look, we already know the president's a very good campaigner. we congratulate him on his re-election. what we don't know is whether he has the leadership qualities necessary to lead his party to a bipartisan agreement. >> mr. one-term-president mcconnell is resorting to name-calling. the gop lost because of this attitude. and now they're just looking like a lost cause. joining me now is steve car kna krystal ball. why doesn't the gop look to chris christie assist a role model? he's the most popular person in their party right now? >> hopefully some in the gop do. you have to remember that a lot of people, a lot of folks in the republican party were very upset with chris christie
, though, is that president obama did reach out to house speaker john boehner. he is the republican, the senate majority leader harry reid the democrat over the weekend, perhaps to try to jump-start the talks. as of now, as the house of representatives comes back today, as the senate came back yesterday, we're still very much in limbo on the fiscal cliff. >> here's something else we know. some major republicans have come out and they say that they don't feel bound by the americans for tax reform pledge. most recently we saw house majority leader eric cantor. do you believe more republicans will stick by this? >> what we're finding out right now zoraida is that there's a little bit of coming to jesus moment about how to fix the fiscal cliff. for republicans perhaps it is going to be higher taxes. for democrats there's going to have to be some changes to entitlement reform. but grover norquist has been really the person pushing this no tax pledge, has been on our airwaves. he's been talking a lot about it. let's hear what he had to say about republicans who might break the pledge. >>
between president obama and house speaker john boehner. now i just heard from a white house official that tom done house, the head of the u.s. chamber, john engler, the head of the business u.s. roundtable are in the white house today meeting with staff. there hasn't been a lot of negotiating progress. i still think there is a generally optimistic mood this will get done but we have a lot of hard bargains between now and the end of the year. >> one of the sort of controversial men in the middle here has been grover norquist, one of the few guys in washington who goes by his own name, grover. his first name, i should say. there are reports that some republicans who signed his no tax hike pledge are backing away from him. in the "wall street journal" saturday, he said, no, nobody's backed off. what's the truth here? >> well, he's wrong about that. they are backing away from him. but i have to say, tyler, this is an issue that's much bigger than grover norquist pcht republican party has staked out tax issue for a long time. it is not because of one individual and the pledge, although he
himself did speak with speaker john boehner on the phone over the weekend. there was that meeting with the lawmakers, the leadership just before the president went overseas on his southeast asia trip. but so far, no additional meetings that we know of on the schedule for the president to sit down with congressional leadership to try to hammer this out. i can tell you that i spoke with an administration official who told me that treasury secretary timothy geithner will be playing a leading role in these live in negotiation negotiations -- fiscal cliff negotiations. gene spellering, an adviser and rob neighbors. again, it will be timothy geithner taking the leading role. we expect behind the scenes the president himself is actively involved. we don't know of any additional meetings that will be taking place. yes, you know, you do hear from some republicans who are saying you know, where is the leadership from the president. they want to see the president more actively involved. the president will be hitting the road this friday to make his case for these middle-class tax cuts being
are accelerating between president obama and top congressional leaders, including john boehner who was on the phone with the president over the weekend. the white house's pr campaign is being buoyed along by warren buffett who is voicing support for tax hikes for americans just like him. >> i think it would have a great effect in terms of the morale of the middle class who have seen themselves paying high payroll taxes, income taxes and then watched guys like me end up paying a rate that's below that, you know, paid by the people in my office. >> joining me now is wisconsin's republican senator ron johnson. senator, it's great to have you with us this morning. and as we talk about what's taking place in washington, d.c. right now, the million dollar question is all concerns around senators lindsey graham, saxby chambliss, congressman peter king among other republicans who said they'd be willing to break away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. will you say if you're willing to break that pledge in order to save the country from the fiscal cliff. >> hello, thomas. and first of all, i signed that
, the president and speaker boehner did talk on the phone on saturday. john harwood live in washington with the latest. john? >> carl, you know, the president and the speaker had a conversation over the weekend. there haven't been too many meetings at the staff level or the principals level. but there has been something that changed about the atmosphere post election. and what you've seen is more and more republicans coming out and being willing to say out loud they're willing to raise taxes of some kind. whether or not it's tax rates or tax revenue in a way they weren't willing to do in 2011 when john boehner and the president were negotiating an attempted grand bargain then. we saw one on the sunday shows over the weekend, that was lindsey graham of south carolina and then bob corker of tennessee. let's take a listen to their comments. >> i agree we shouldn't raise rates, but i think grover is wrong when it comes to we can't cap deductions and buy down debt. what do you do with the money? -- i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats wi
the opposite of the way they've negotiated inside with john boehner and others on past deals. >> yeah, the president feels he has very strong cards here and one of the strategies of the white house is that if we go over the cliff, if all those tax cuts are allowed to expire, the president has real ways to extract pain from the republicans. polls already show people are more likely to blame republicans and here's something very important. republican leaders know that. joe scarborough writes on politico right now that when eric cantor, the number two house republican was there on your set, that he noticed a different tone from him and seeing more and more signs of that as the week goes along, the republican leaders recognize that the president has an inaugural address, a state of the union address and a lot of high-profile ways to pin the blame on them and so today we have this remarkable movement position by tom cole, one of the most politically savvy republicans who told their whip team that they would be better off to cave, that they would be better off to give what he calls the earl
but that will happen. the market will be going up and down on small indicators. is john boehner smiling or frowning today? we'll have a lot of volatility for the next two or three months because i do think it's going to be two or three months. i think this is going to go into january. i think close to a 50% chance we'll go over the fiscal cliff temporarily. the market won't react well to that so it's going to be very, very bumpy couple of months here. >> that said, seasonally, i was told not too long ago, the period between thanksgiving week and december 3rd, the past 20 years has been positive for stocks for 17 of those 20 years. is there going to be any kind of hope for a santa claus rally here, michael? >> i think there is. that's simply because pessimism has reached a level of extreme that historically has led to higher markets over the next three months 81% of the time. the average market gain when pessimism has gotten to this low a level has been about 7%. i think when you look at the basic, you know -- we have three rules to guide our tactical trading. don't fid the fed. obviously on our sid
senator mitch mcconnell and speaker john boehner, they all spoke with the president, over the weekend by phone, about the fiscal cliff. here's what jay carney said. >> forecast to be done, work is continuing to take place, the president spoke with both senator reid and speaker boehner over the weekend as you noted. he'll continue to have outreach with -- as he promised he would with various stake holders, business leaders and others this week. as well as conversations that are ongoing between his staff and folks on the hill. that will continue. we hope to see progress. >> and meeting with the leaders? >> i don't have any scheduling updates, but you stole my thunder a little bit, but, yeah, he spoke with speaker boehner and senator reid over the weekend and, you know, he will meet with them at the appropriate time as well as obviously nancy pelosi and mitch mcconnell. so, you know, the process that he began is continuing. we continue to be optimistic that a balanced approach is achievable. >> again, jay carney there moments ago speaking at the white house daily briefing. and if this fi
. plus protesters showed up naked, look at that. that's house speaker john boehner's office. they were demanding on a serious front demanding funding to fight aids. >> oh, my goodness. >> seven of them will be joining us, fully clothed i'm hoping, to talk about what sparked their protest, what they're hoping to gain, plus she sold 100 million records in a decade. a career that spanned five decades, dionne warwick is our guest. going to talk about her new album, my father is in love with dionne warwick so he'll be all excited about that. much more coming up this morning on "starting point." >> did you invite your father in? >> he can watch it on tv. of course. >> we'll be getting up -- >> oh, my gosh, soledad. thanks. >> you bet. >> black ice and snow causing some trouble after yesterday's storm in the northeast. now, new storm's rolling into the northwest this morning. alexandra steele with the extreme weather center where -- putting the extreme in extreme weather. >> it looked pretty yesterday for a minute. >> oh, i bet. six inches in portions of new jersey. so we've got two things ha
and john boehner to bring their wings of the parties back in for any sort of a deal. because it seems like both sides are getting their back up at this point. >> well, i don't think it's making it more difficult, becky. i think what happens is at the beginning of a negotiation, everybody is sort of staking out their positions and their demands. you know, the demand by democrats, for example, that social security and medicare not be part of this discussion, that's not a sustainable demand. everybody knows that entitlement programs, the president has said so, have to be part of this. now, exactly what proportion and when they're part of it, those are things that you can talk about, but, no, they are part of this deal. so are tax increases, and, you know, republicans taking out the position that, well, we can't touch tax rates, we can touch tax loopholes, everybody's got to wait and see how the math adds up. this is an extremely complicated and difficult thing. >> i don't think -- i don't think it's well done to be negotiating in public like this because it only makes it more difficult. i wis
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